RMAH Threatened and PayPal Fees Removed

RMAH Riches Too Good to Be True?
RMAH One Week Delay

See Blizzard Source for delaying the RMAH, new fees, and more FAQ. 

Blizzard has postponed the highly anticipated Real Money Auction House beyond the initial release of Diablo 3. Their reasoning seems sound, as they are more interested in servers working and solving stability issues rather than allowing players to sell items to one another. If you had a chance to try the beta, then you know that there were times when auctions took FOREVER to get back to you and items took minutes to get from your completed tab to your shared stash. There was also the case of items just disappearing, gold not being sent back to you, and a host of other issues. Getting the bugs out and the servers working before the RMAH goes live is a really good idea.

On the down side, we've all been brainstorming about how to make money in the first week of the game. Hell, I've been trying to figure out the best way to capitalize on the first three hours of the game, let alone the first week. A lot of people might think that it's time to crumple up that piece of paper, metaphorically speaking, and start anew. However, I believe that the same strategies will still bring in considerable amounts of gold, just not real money. You can then take this gold and invest in your artisans and your character to make money later.

The idea is to create for yourself as many money making options as possible so that you're prepared for when the RMAH does indeed go live. Options include the ability to combine gems, craft high level gear, and have a nice stockpile of auctions waiting to be sold.  One thing I'm going to pay attention to during the first week are deals on the gold auction house. You know, people who don't know what they're doing will be posting for way too little. Don't be surprised when vendor items start showing up on the auction house for less than they're sold for or salvage worthy gear showing up for less than the price of the resulting crafting materials.

Players will definitely be in a different place a week later than they would have been on day one with the real money auction house, and who knows if the RMAH will even be available after the first week. Delays could happen and unforeseen issues could always pop up. But we as players can prepare and be ready to make serious cash when the RMAH game is finally playable.

There are opportunities here simply because players are going to be forced to play the auction house with very limited funds at first. Whereas with the RMAH players could have bought in and grabbed lots of gold, that option is completely non-existent now. That's AWESOME as it could lead to people selling items for far too little (just to make some gold right now) with no thought as to how we, the astute and far thinking auctioneers, can take advantage of them for future profit.

One last note, which I will probably touch on in the near future, is that everyone seems to believe that the best route right now is to stockpile gold and then dump it on the RMAH as soon as it's functional. However, I expect the price of gold to plummet, maybe even as far as its lowest threshold ($1.00 per 100,000 gold) and therefore selling it, although appealing initially, may not be the best course of action. I'll be working hard to try and come up with alternative strategies, such as providing players with what they want to spend all that gold on in the first place. Stay tuned, but now it's time to look at the fees...

Massive Fee Changes on the RMAH

Besides the delay news, I've also seen some pretty nasty fees associated with the RMAH announced today. For commodity auctions, if you want to cash out, then you're looking at a 15% sellers fee and a 15% transfer to PayPal fee. That's pretty nasty; potentially losing 30 cents on your dollar. However, all is not lost! My assumption from a few months back regarding PayPal dropping its fees for Blizzard just became reality. Here's a quick quote:

"PayPal will not charge any fees for transfers to them. You'll pay a 15% transfer fee to move any funds to your PayPal account, and then whatever you do with the money after that is between you and them. But the transfer to PayPal is 15%, and that's it."

This will allow Blizzard to get away with the recent increase in their own fees by adding that additional 15% for cashing out (now Blizzard takes 30% if you want to cash out on commodities directly to PayPal). This is great news, as having an additional PayPal fee would have made RMAH trading nearly impossible. Here is a breakdown of all the fees by region:

RMAH Fees by Region
Taking a closer look, it's clear that we're not facing a flat 30% fee here for ALL items, just commodities. If you sell non stacking items, such as weapons or armor, then you will see a $1.00 initial sale + 15% cashout fee for sending the proceeds to PayPal.

RMAH Changes and the Perfect Solution

The world is not ending people. This is why I created a community and a guide that can adapt to changing rule sets. I knew from the get go that this kind of crap could happen, and that's why I created a platform for dominating the RMAH, instead of just a one time PDF. Think about all the other guides out there that just bit the bullet and have to start over (let's be honest, most "guides" are placeholders for future content currently). We don't have to start over though, because our strategies were for the long term and not reliant upon gimmicks or the details of the RMAH's release.

Expect lots of new strategies and brain storming at the Diablo 3 Gold Secrets site. We were built for this kind of turbulent news and it's going to be a fun, albeit bumpy ride. The forums are a buzz with new discussions regarding all these changes and I'd like to welcome you to join our community of over 330 auctioneers.

14 comments:

  1. And the $250Max????
    For big objects it s a limit for free market.

    It s a big issue. I think blizzard is doing this for purpose: force us to use gold, and like this they sink gold and win more money by multiple operation.

    Here a quote from Ismat:
    "I think the $250 bid/buyout max is a much bigger issue than the 15% fee. Most people will be willing to pay a significant premium for the ease and security of trading right through the game in Blizzard-supported channels. But if a person finds an elite item that could sell for $1000, it will be very hard for them to swallow a 75% haircut due merely to the RMAH's price limit.The game-supported alternative is to sell the item for the gold value of $1000 in the GAH, then convert that gold to cash through a series of sub-$250 transactions, but this applies an additional 15% fee to the initial item sale for gold and another additional 15% fee to selling that gold on the RMAH. With the 15% paypal fee, that's a total loss of nearly 40%"

    My thought is, blizzard want this.

    But the problem is "too much tax is killing tax"

    What you think about this Markco?

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    1. If an item is that valuable then you will be forced to sell it for gold and then the gold for money, essentially getting an extra fee.

      I am not as concerned by this as some of my colleagues. I believe that the most money will be made in relatively small $10-$50 cash outs in the form of gear, not commodities.

      The way I see it, even if an item is worth $250, it needs to have enough demand to sell every time you want to cash out. My guess is that there won't be enough interested buyers for that to work consistently.

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  2. "That's AWESOME as it could lead to people selling items for far too little (just to make some gold right now)"

    Well that isn't awesome, because if that's the case the prices will go lower than normal, and then they will further drop because of the time factor (as time goes by).

    If anything it could open some path to try some trading, which will be very hard anyways and probably consume you quite some time looking for the right deals, because as you should know trading when you have selling fees makes it extra hard to do, and moreso with so many players in the game/AH.

    This is indeed a huge blow, plus the obnoxious paypal fees, it's just a pure and blatant exploitation/insult to us trying to use a new and exciting feature by ruining it.

    I think the new strat will be pretty much trying to level up pretty fast, put yourself in a good position after 1 week, and invest in crafting mostly... because it will be better to spend gold on crafting instead of selling it 1 week after right? What's your thoughts?

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    1. It's not hard to find ridiculously underpriced items.

      I agree in part that crafting gear, weapons, and gems will be your meal ticket instead of selling gold.

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  3. Excuse me if I'm wrong, but I thought the $250 is simply a battle.net balance cap, not a transaction cap.

    "If you choose to receive your auction proceeds in the form of Battle.net Balance, there are a few limits you should be aware of. Once your Battle.net Balance reaches $250 USD or above (or equivalent local currency), you will not be able to post new Battle.net Balance auctions until you bring your balance below that amount."

    http://us.battle.net/support/en/article/diablo-iii-auction-house-functionality#q17

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    1. I'm under the impression that it's $250 for all, but could be wrong.

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    2. I know it's $250 for items. Not sure about commodities like high level gems.

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    3. I have been checking battle.net and gamespot.com forums, facts, etc. Apparently if you have a battle.net authenticator, your $100 battle.net balance is increased to $250--this forces you to buy an authenticator if you go this route. Now for cashing out to paypal, you need a cell phone that can accept mobile alerts, so you don't exactly need a plan. There is no free service gmail offers, where you can receive SMS over VOIP, only send SMS.

      Battle.net will not send SMS over VOIP. So, now I have to buy a cell phone and add on a plan. Blizzard should not have to send mobile alerts, Paypal already has anti-fraud security measures in place.

      Here is another question? Would Paypal have charged 15% to transfer proceeds to Paypal balance? Hard to say. This is starting to look like a major racket. It also looks like farming companies will be alive and kicking real hard. Anyone have a cell phone they can loan me?

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    4. Yes, the mobile alerts almost caused me to have to buy a phone with a 2 year contract. I currently use Boost Mobile because I am a college student, and Blizzard did not accept it. Thankfully, my husband's phone number (which uses ATT pay as you go) worked.

      However, going back to the $250, issue... No where in the Blizzard's FAQs I have seen anything about transaction caps, all I found were references to the battle.net balance. However, Bashiok posted this yesterday:

      @GamerzFunk Apologies, my last response was in error. A bid or buyout cannot go past the cap, which we currently have set at $250.
      https://twitter.com/#!/Bashiok/status/197547112462958592

      I guess we might have to wait and see which it is, battle.net cap or transaction cap. The FAQ & Bashiok contradict each other.

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  4. Hey Markco, May 2, 2012 07:07 AM Anonymous here again.

    Actually it's pretty hard to find ridiculously underpriced items, for the simple reason that the AH will be filled by hundreds of thousands of players. You would be rather lucky to get a bargain deal amongst so many people, as you said yourself in other posts (where you tried to buyout ridiculously low items but someone already had bidded on it).

    Unless you know some sort of knowledge/insight on how to turn that item into even more gold that someone else doesn't know of, chances are such bargain buys won't happen.

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    1. It was pretty easy once I created more specific searches regarding gear.

      For commodities I had to start buying and selling larger quantities.

      Don't worry the system will work, and it will be possible to take advantage of the cycles of the market. Flipping and crafting will be possible, just that profit margins will be smaller.

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  5. These fees seem pretty high but I’m not sweating it because I’ve flipped items for x5+ their worth on the Diablo 3 beta AH and on the WOW AH. I play poker as a hobby, and if you make more money than the house makes from you, you’re doing very well. Not to mention the 3rd party sites that will gain popularity due to AH fees. I can't wait to start using trade window with other auctioneers on Markco's forums.

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  6. Black Market here we come.... Someone work out the legalities for me. Is it now legal to sell items through third party... ebay? Even if it's not legal, the market for such activity just increased 10 fold.

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    1. No, Ebay doesn't allow virtual sales of any kind from what I recall because they don't want to get involved in EULA lawsuits which is understandable. Paypal partnering with Blizzard is an entirely different case where they lucked out.

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